[MoMo]

( From today's Times )

About time too !

Honour for the Spitfire’s unsung flying heroines

Michael Evans, Defence Editor

The survivors of a group of women who flew Spitfires in non-combat roles during the Second World War are expected to be honoured with a special badge.

The women of the Air Transport Auxiliary may not have taken part in the Battle of Britain but, without their flying skills and courage in delivering the aircraft to the RAF bases for their male counterparts to clear the skies of German bombers, the battle would never have got off the ground.

There are believed to be about 15 of the women pilots left, all in their eighties and nineties. They also flew Hurricanes, Lancasters, Mosquitoes and other wartime aircraft.

Now Gordon Brown has been approached to see whether they could be given formal recognition for the risks they took in ferrying Spitfires and other fighters and bombers from the manufacturers to airbases in Britain and France throughout the war.

Margaret Frost, now 87, who hated heights and was officially too small at just under 5ft 3in to become a Spitfire pilot, spent three years flying the aircraft, and welcomed the suggestion of a badge for her and her colleagues. “But I don’t think any of us is expecting it,” she said.

Nigel Griffiths, Labour MP for Edinburgh South, who has taken up the women’s cause and has already had encouraging responses from the Government, said: “These are forgotten people and they deserve an honour.”
He began campaigning for an honour for the survivors after reading Spitfire Women of World War II, a book by the Times journalist Giles Whittell. He referred to them as “a unique sisterhood of flying addicts who came to England from five continents to ferry combat aircraft for the Air Transport Auxiliary in the war”. They were the only women from among the Western Allies who flew in the war.

Mr Griffiths, whose father flew Mosquito fighter bombers in the war, had a meeting this week with Jim Fitzpatrick, Parliamentary UnderSecretary of State at the Department for Transport, and was given encouraging indications that the Prime Minister backed his campaign.

An honour for the Spitfire women would be in line with the announcement last year that the Land Girls of the Second World War were to receive a special badge.

Miss Frost, who lives in Mid Wales, said: “I was 23 when I joined the ATA. I was 5ft 2¾ when the minimum height requirement was 5ft 4in, but I got through. You had to fly the Spitfires without any radio system, and the only way you knew you could land at an airbase was when someone stood on the runway with a green light rather than a red light.”

She added: “The Spitfire was lovely to fly. I was lucky because the weather was kind to me, but there were others [15] who lost their lives flying in bad weather.”

Miss Frost said: “I always hated heights but it was different being enclosed in the Spitfire. I never flew higher than 2,000ft. I have so many memories of that time, but reminiscing is tiring.”

The most famous female member of the ATA was Amy Johnson, the first woman to fly solo from Britain to Australia in 1930, a journey of 11,000 miles. She joined the ATA in 1940 and was promoted to First Officer. In January 1941, while flying an Airspeed Oxford from Blackpool to RAF Kidlington in Oxfordshire, she was caught in poor weather and eventually the aircraft’s two tanks ran out of fuel.

She clambered out on to the fuselage with her parachute and jumped, but landed in the Thames Estuary and drowned. A rescue attempt was made but her body was never recovered.
Wartime sisterhood

—164 women flew with the Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA)

—In the Second World War the ATA flew 415,000 hours

—It delivered more than 308,000 aircraft of 130 types

—It flew repaired, damaged and new aircraft between factories and active service airfields

—Lord Beaverbrook, wartime Minister of Aircraft Production, said: “They were soldiers fighting in the struggle just as completely as if . . . engaged on the battlefront”

[flyXwire]

An honour well deserved! Thanks for the post, MoMo!

[MoMo]

You said it, FlyXwire. There are a few more waiting to be honoured : the scandal of those airmen who took part in the bombing campaign over Germany ( and the 50, 000 who never came back ) ; the merchant marine sailors; etc. etc.

[11SQNLDR]

Thanks for posting this Momo, they certainly do deserve recognition.

[MoMo]

11SQNLDR

What are your views on the British and Commonweath government's lack of movement in recognition of Bomber Command's contribution ?

[11SQNLDR]

Originally Posted by MoMo

What are your views on the British and Commonweath government's lack of movement in recognition of Bomber Command's contribution ?

Quite frankly it p^^^es me off - & whilst you could say it's never too late to make amends and provide that recognition the fact remains there are only a handful of veterans around to see this fulfilled. During my college years I had several war time pilots and navigators as my teachers, each with fascinating and terrifying tales to tell. I feel priviledged to meet men such as these....

[MoMo]

Quite frankly it p^^^es me off - & whilst you could say it's never too late to make amends and provide that recognition the fact remains there are only a handful of veterans around to see this fulfilled. During my college years I had several war time pilots and navigators as my teachers, each with fascinating and terrifying tales to tell. I feel priviledged to meet men such as these....
11sqnldr

Good on yer, 11SQNLDR, my sentiments exactly.

[ZS-VAN]

Great thread Momo, they deserve being honoured.

[dilligafocau]

Originally Posted by MoMo

What are your views on the British and Commonweath government's lack of movement in recognition of Bomber Command's contribution ?

Well Im surprised and disappointed at the lack of recognition of Bomber Command, the Commonwealth's only means of taking the fight to the Nazi's in the early war years and then later in the war, the most effective measure against Germany's arms manufacture and supply infrastructure.

Saying all this means bugger all really.....

But as we seem to be upstanding citizens of the British Commonwealth, what are the chances of us badgering our local MP's to support a bill affirming Bomber Commands huge contribution to the war effort & recognising these brave airmen who gave their all and in many cases, sacrificed their lives for the freedoms we take for granted today.

[MoMo]

ZS-VAN

You bet ZS-VAN ! I think that all the vets who are still alive should be honoured, as well as all those who were killed or who have passed away over the intervening years.

The British government, several years ago, amidst great controversy, unveiled a statue of Bomber Harris. They thought that this was as far as things should go. However, despite the political controversy sparked off when Churchill and others decided to rein back on saturation bombing because they were afraid of a post-war backlash, the fact remains that the men should be honoured for the courage which they demonstrated by just serving in a campaign which was regarded as a nightly suicide mission.

They risked almost certain death, if they were hit by flak or nightfighters. Very few had the opportunity to jump. Very few ran for the neutral countries. Many died an agonising death by fire.

These patriots who were absolutely convinced that they were hitting back in the only way they could against a ruthless enemy. And who were also convinced that they were destroying the enemy's capacity to wage war because they were told so, did not question the campaign. They questioned operational details, but they stepped up and did their duty. What's more they did their duty because they wanted to hit back at the power which sought to destroy their way of life.

It is high time that the British government stepped up, and admitted that a campaign medal should have been issued. There are only a few elderly men and women left who took an active part. Only a few left who contributed to the whole.

Government, do your duty and render to these people the honour which they merit !