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Originally Posted by Fly Navy 75

Thanks, PNF. I'll definitely add it to my itinerary. Thanks also for those of you who suggested the Eagle's Nest. I was thinking about taking the bus down from Salzburg, but now it's definitely on my itinerary.

Salzburg is a beautiful old city, and Eagle's Nest is well worth the journey.

[MoMo]

Dear Martin Baker,

In Berlin in the 70s I was almost arrested for peeing on the Berlin wall. I explained to the cop, at the time, that I'd had rather too much to drink, and that this was the nearest that I could get to Hitler's bunker. At the time it was not known for sure that the Russians had Hitler's purported remains. I assumed, along with millions of others, that the pig had been roasted outside the bunker and that his remains had rendered to ash. This made the bunker site his grave. My information was that the bunker site was in no-man's-land on the border between east and west Berlin.

Since my intention and life-long desire had been to dance on the pig's grave, I settled for next best and decided to pee on it. The sympathetic and bemused guard let me off with a severe warning and I shuffled off.

Some day I hope to do the same in his tea!

I have doubts about making Hitler's holiday hideaway a tourist attraction. Somehow the idea of parties of tourists paying anyone to 'guide' them round the lair disturbs me. You can only see a cleared site where the house was and admire the view. Also, you can see the lift to nowhere.

However, we live in an age when Hilter is slowly coming to be regarded as a curiosity, and people are understandibly curious about the pig. Let's hope that legions of tourists are moved to dance on Hilter's shadow, if it's there, and that legions more are caught short while up there!

MoMo

[Cardinal]

Articulate and inflammatory as usual MoMo , a little objective thought may go a long way in your arguments ...

[Martin Baker]

Originally Posted by MoMo

Dear Martin Baker,

In Berlin in the 70s I was almost arrested for peeing on the Berlin wall. I explained to the cop, at the time, that I'd had rather too much to drink, and that this was the nearest that I could get to Hitler's bunker. At the time it was not known for sure that the Russians had Hitler's purported remains. I assumed, along with millions of others, that the pig had been roasted outside the bunker and that his remains had rendered to ash. This made the bunker site his grave. My information was that the bunker site was in no-man's-land on the border between east and west Berlin.

Since my intention and life-long desire had been to dance on the pig's grave, I settled for next best and decided to pee on it. The sympathetic and bemused guard let me off with a severe warning and I shuffled off.

Some day I hope to do the same in his tea!

I have doubts about making Hitler's holiday hideaway a tourist attraction. Somehow the idea of parties of tourists paying anyone to 'guide' them round the lair disturbs me. You can only see a cleared site where the house was and admire the view. Also, you can see the lift to nowhere.

However, we live in an age when Hilter is slowly coming to be regarded as a curiosity, and people are understandibly curious about the pig. Let's hope that legions of tourists are moved to dance on Hilter's shadow, if it's there, and that legions more are caught short while up there!

MoMo

Hi MoMo
I was in Berlin three years ago & went to Check point charlie , the jewish museam , Topography of terror witch was near the Berlin wall & just out side berlin we went to the first German concention camp , after the war the Russians carryed on where the Germans left of !

The reason why i want to goto the Eagle nest is it was 617 squadron last bombing mission of the war & Easy company captured it

[jim]

I spoke to my pal in Goppingen last night and I asked him about diecast stores, his reply was as follows,

Dont ask me about diecast planes, Trains I can get a million but planes I never found none. I search everywhere but I think its impossible.
All mine come ebay or mail!

I asked him about Stuttgart because its not far away and he said he had looked but nothing, I asked about Munich, same reply.

Well I tried but no result!

[Shawn 507]

Its been what 12 yrs, but I want to say there was a German toy store named Vedes. Sorts like Toys R Us. I'm sure you could ask a cabbie if'n your German is up to it. I'll ask in another forum for you.
- Shawn

[MoMo]

Hi MoMo
I was in Berlin three years ago & went to Check point charlie , the jewish museam , Topography of terror witch was near the Berlin wall & just out side berlin we went to the first German concention camp , after the war the Russians carryed on where the Germans left of !

The reason why i want to goto the Eagle nest is it was 617 squadron last bombing mission of the war & Easy company captured it

Hi MB,

I can understand why you want to go there. If I was in the vicinity, I doubt if I could stay away from the site ( but I've already revealed my darkest intent! ) and I would be more than a little curious to see the view, and find out why those who visited Hitler at home described the location in such admiring prose.

Also, for those of us who crossed Europe with Easy ( at least six times, in my case ) it would be a thrill to stand where those guys stood at the end of a long, terrible journey.

All the best. Keep us posted!

Articulate and inflammatory as usual MoMo , a little objective thought may go a long way in your arguments ...

Dear cardinal,

I really didn't intend my little posting to be 'inflammatory' ( except in ref. to Hitler's cremation...let's hope he wasn't quite dead when they torched him! ). I really was expressing my queeziness and trepidation at the thought of what the future may bring.

When all the guys who fought in the war are gone, and the post-war baby-boomer generation has passed on too, there will be a major reassessment of Hitler and his cronies as more and more revisionist historians try to place Hitler in the same position as Napoleon now occupies. It dosn't take much imagination to foresee that the contempt that we feel for the nazis may mellow into something close to admiration for all sorts of reasons.

My position has always been to stomp hard on any sign of sneaking admiration for Nazi Germany. I realise that there is a basic flaw and contradiction in what I'm saying because, like all of you, I can, and do, collect the miniature representations of the artifacts of that regime's army's hardware. I don't feel that it is wrong or politically incorrect to admire the technology of that era. The literature, movies, documentaries, ephemera, etc. are all fascinating, and add to the knowledge of the era. For a baby-boomer like me, who was brought up in a country where the war cast a long shadow, all this is a vital part of my life.

At the same time, I can worry about the future because in Europe we can see signs of a resurgent extreme right. I guess that if people are going to visit the places where momentous events took place ( and they will ) and which shaped the world in which we live, my hope would be that all the folk who are aware of the facts insist that the 'guides' tell it like it is.

We are all military historians, to a greater or lesser degree, and I feel that it is incumbent on us to also tell it like it is.

Believe me, Cardi, there is nothing controversial in this.

MoMo

[jim]

Originally Posted by MoMo

Hi MB,





Dear cardinal,
Believe me, Cardi, there is nothing controversial in this.

MoMo

Believe me there is! I have been told (by a school teacher) that we were very naughty bombing German cities and we should be ashamed.

No I didnt smack him on the nose, in fact I was so angry I just walked away very very quickly.

Its a good example of how when people have a nice easy life with no problems , feather bedded by the State, they lose all grasp of the reality of life.

[MoMo]

Believe me there is! I have been told (by a school teacher) that we were very naughty bombing German cities and we should be ashamed.

Not reall the thread for this, but, I know exactly what you mean Jim. I don't mind discussing these matters in the context of overall strategic considerations, but historians who are wise after the event tee me off! The morals of total war create their own minefield.

[MoMo]

Believe me there is! I have been told (by a school teacher) that we were very naughty bombing German cities and we should be ashamed.

and good on yer for demonstrating the pacifist position!

MoMo