[easy8]

Interesting....


Pentagon ends jet parts sales to Iran - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com


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[mustangdriver]

They should have never been getting them in the first place. Now e might actually have to dogfight with the F-14, using an airplane untested in combat.

[admin]

Originally Posted by mustangdriver

They should have never been getting them in the first place. Now we might actually have to dogfight with the F-14, using an airplane untested in combat.

I agree.
We should have installed a self destruct mechanism.

[bsmith13]

Originally Posted by mustangdriver

They should have never been getting them in the first place. Now e might actually have to dogfight with the F-14, using an airplane untested in combat.

Which airplane is that? The F-22?

[STARMAN 352ND]

I think sometimes we are our own worst enemy when we sell stuff like that.
Very happy to see it has stopped...It should of never happened in the first place.
Let's hope it won't happened again.
JP

[mustangdriver]

Yes, we are taking the F-22 up against the F-14. It the F-2 works in combat like it is supposed to, it will be fine. But remember that this might be it's first combat. I would have a hard time going up against the F-14.

[admin]

Originally Posted by mustangdriver

Yes, we are taking the F-22 up against the F-14. It the F-2 works in combat like it is supposed to, it will be fine. But remember that this might be it's first combat. I would have a hard time going up against the F-14.

I don't know, it sounds like the Raptor chews up five Eagles at time in exercises. Lets hope that how it plays out in the real world.

[mustangdriver]

True, but that is an exercise, and a friendlt one at that. I hope that is the case, but I can't say that I am not worried some when the bad guy has the Tomcat.

[chiefs70]

Well, if I recall correctly, they never got any Phoenix missiles and have been notoriously neglegent in their maintenance of the aircraft which is a severe handicap. In fact, they rarely fly them because even with the parts sales it was a trickle compared to what they needed to stay fully operational. In the end, it is the training and skill of the pilots which will make the greatest difference and Iran can't hold a candle to our aircrews in that regard.

I never understood why the US needed to enter into arms sales with countries which were not steadfast allies but what do I know.

[STARMAN 352ND]

The Tomcat is a classic aircraft that will be remembered with the likes of the Corsair, Hellcat and Phantom
But look at where aviation technology has come in the past few decades. The F-14, although probably ahead of it's time in some ways, first flew in 1970 - that's 36 years ago it's first cruise with VF-1 and VF-2 provided air cover for the evacuation of Saigon.
Just think of where aviation technology was in that same period of 35 years before the Tomcat in 1935 we were experimenting with aircraft that only had one set of wings, retractable landing gear were still pretty new, and at least some ABDR could still be done with a needle and thread.
The Tomcat was a generational leap in capability from the Phantom, yet there was only a 12 year difference between first flights F-4 1958.
The state, and capability, of aviation was progressing quickly during those years but that gain hasn't slowed much in the 35 years since then.
We've jumped probably a couple of generations. Vastly upgraded aerodynamics. Stealth, like it or not. Incredible electronics increases. Exponential increases in servicability whatever you may think about Tomcats being replaced by Hornets and their respective capabilities, ten Hornets on the flightdeck beats six Tomcats on the hangar deck any day of the week.They have to fly to fight.
"Anytime, baby!" is passed into history, just as the other greats did before it. Remember it for what it was.
F-14 is limited to 6.5 G Maximum because of airframe fatigue and stress concerns. Compaired to the F-22's 9.
IRST that would be used to "track" and F-22 only gives you elevation and bearing not range. You need range to conduct an intercept otherwise your just gonna head towards the spot till you have him visual, not a good idea to take an Turkey into a merge with a Raptor. Also the effective range of IRST is way way way lower then even the most basic radar and its not subtible for use in weather.
The Raptor has a higher Sustained and Instinatious turn radius. The Raptor has a much higher thrust to weight ratio allowing it to regain energy far faster then an F-14.
And finally it takes between 40 and 50 hours to get one F-14 off the ground for one hour of flight time.That it's something that it's not anymore.