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| F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week)
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week) Nice vid, no matter what you think of the airframe. | |||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week) Very interesting contrast between the two fighters! Of course, I can't wait for Former Viper Driver to chime in and add further on this one. | |||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week)
Airshows are just that. Real combat is completely different. Fulghum has it about right, although it's obvious (from his comments) he has never been a fighter pilot. Oh, by the way, how many Su-47s and Su-37s (or MiG-29 OVTs) are operational? FVD | ||||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week) I've seen quite a bit on TV about the F22. Seeing these Sukhois are very cool. Su47 is a very interesting looking aircraft, i'd sure like to see more footage of it. | |||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week)
Not enough, apparently. | ||||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week) Former Viper driver, can I ask you why you say "up we go into the wild blue yonder?" I don't mean to be rude but almost every AF guy knows its "Off we go into the wild blue yonder!" | |||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week) Question for those engineers among us: For a modern fighter, how good an indicator of operational performance is low-speed maneuvering? I assume no pilot worth his salt is going to slow his ship down to air-show speeds when engaging in life-or-death encounters. I mean, slow flight performance was incredibly relevant when fighters engaged in stall tactics, but given the power of the engines of modern fighters, nobody is going to intentionally stall one of these beasts during a knife-fight. | |||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week) The only reply I can give to this is anecdotal. I had the opportunity to talk to a Luftwaffe pilot who flew MiG-29s in the East German Air Force before the unification of Germany. He was on an exchange program here in the US. He said that he preferred flying the MiG-29 because it required skill to get the most out of. However, he said that if he had to take a jet into combat, he'd rather do it in an F-16, because the F-16 allowed you to concentrate on fighting rather than flying. | |||||||||||||
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| Re: F-22 v. Su-37 (Aviation Week)
Last edited by jjgilz : 09-19-2007 at 03:30 AM.
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I'm not a fighter guy so FVD might be able to provide a better perspective. However, I was an Aero Engr major back in the day. The technology displayed at airshows is just one aspect of an aircraft's performance. Standoff is the real impressive factor of the latests fighters...one that an airshow can't really demostrate. The thinking is that if you actually have to visually engage these days, then you've already lost. Granted newer fighters like the F-22 and F-35 have tremendous performance characteristics but that doesn't fully justify their costs. Powerful aircraft have been around since the late '50s. The latest generation of fighters true value (and costs) come from their stealth properties, advanced radar, supercruise capability, C2 suite and standoff ability. Take Care! Jeff | |||||||||||||
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