[lanslide]

Originally Posted by David Hingtgen

I'm guessing HM and Corgi copied the same kit, which has ribbed intakes, or:

The mold-maker interpreted the reference drawing incorrectly, and made the rib-area 3D, when the lines on the drawing were merely intended to represent the border of the bleed holes.

F-15's suffer a similar issue--you'll find almost EVERY model and drawing of an F-15 has a "panel line" on it where none exists--because it LOOKS like there is one in nearly every photo, but it's really just a spot where dirt collects in a distinct pattern.

I imagine the kit they copied was Hasegawa's. Does Hasegawa's latest F-4J have the bleed holes done the same way as HM's? Are the HM intake ramps plastic and if so, are the plastic kit parts the same thickness as HM's parts (too thick)?

[zed550]

Originally Posted by TGM51

Thanks for the photos zed550. All of your pics show the bright green painted on the tip of the vertical tail. Does Hobby Master have information that the tail was painted with the bright green after the sixth kill? I've seen this model and it is very nice. I would just like to know why they missed this.

william did not have this reference material at the time,what he did have was what he used ie an aeromaster sheet and the book mig kills.
the problem with ritchies jet is the amount of different mig kills it had painted on and different styles in a short period of time from may 72 to oct 72.

[flyXwire]

Originally Posted by lanslide

I imagine the kit they copied was Hasegawa's. Does Hasegawa's latest F-4J have the bleed holes done the same way as HM's? Are the HM intake ramps plastic and if so, are the plastic kit parts the same thickness as HM's parts (too thick)?

NO, Hasegawa's kit was not copied. I have both Hasegawa's 72nd and 48th Phantom kits on hand and the 'bleed holes" patterns are actually molded on. It would probably be difficult to execute this on a piece of metal without some sort of 'die stamping' technique, unless HM would rather use an all plastic piece so you could achieve the bleed holes pattern much more subtle and accurate. I would settle for pad printed "bleed holes" - probably a much simpler
technique and it would achieve the same effect.

[lanslide]

Originally Posted by flyXwire

NO, Hasegawa's kit was not copied. I have both Hasegawa's 72nd and 48th Phantom kits on hand and the 'bleed holes" patterns are actually molded on. It would probably be difficult to execute this on a piece of metal without some sort of 'die stamping' technique, unless HM would rather use an all plastic piece so you could achieve the bleed holes pattern much more subtle and accurate. I would settle for pad printed "bleed holes" - probably a much simpler
technique and it would achieve the same effect.

Based on the photos that William provided on the F-4F Molders thread, I'm pretty sure HM's F-4 intake ramps are plastic (Corgi's F-4 intake ramps definitely are). Maybe HM can re-tool the plastic intake ramp parts to be just like Hasegawa's. If not, I am willing to bet that Century Wings will be producing the F-4B/N for their next release. They will undoubtedly tweak this particular model like they did the FOV Tomcat and will probably correct the canopy shape and hinges and provide a re-designed intake ramp to be more accurate. But I am still enthusiastic about this model too! The F-4 will be a gold mine for both companies and will drain my bank account.

[Louie]

Is the canopy shape wrong on ther HM F-4 Slide?

[lanslide]

Originally Posted by Louie

Is the canopy shape wrong on ther HM F-4 Slide?

It's just a little flat on the top of the front portion. The windscreen front frame should meet the windscreen side frame too. The hinges could be better represented from what I've read here.

[rdenham]

I have no choice but to over look this but the anhedral tailplane’s leading edge on Hobby Masters F-4D is really turned upward and looks very weird & is not very accurate.

I think Hobby Master was going for something this, but in this case they tried way to hard and missed the mark.

[zed550]

Originally Posted by rdenham

I have no choice but to over look this but the anhedral tailplane’s leading edge on Hobby Masters F-4D is really turned upward and looks very weird & is in no way accurate.

I think Hobby Master was going for something but in this case they tried way to hard and missed the mark.

phantom has a moving tailplane!
the picture of the collings foundation jet you have provided shows the tailplane at rest[no hydraulic pressure]
if anything D model should'nt have the leading edge slats.

[lanslide]

Originally Posted by zed550

phantom has a moving tailplane!
the picture of the collings foundation jet you have provided shows the tailplane at rest[no hydraulic pressure]
if anything D model should'nt have the leading edge slats.

It's not the angle of the tailplane that is being pointed out by rdenham. It's the leading edge of it that "curls" up in an extreme way! It does not look very aerodynamic. Why does it do that?

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by lanslide

It's not the angle of the tailplane that is being pointed out by rdenham. It's the leading edge of it that "curls" up in an extreme way! It does not look very aerodynamic. Why does it do that?

My 1/32 F-4J Phantom VF-84 is like that as well. At first i thought it was upside down or something until i actually saw photos of it like that.