[lanslide]

"I understand a good healthy review with pros and cons. I can live with those. Its the guy who has nothing good to say and has an axe to grind."

Who are you referring to Shawn? I haven't noticed anyone like this here. HotTrap, what do you think of this model?

[HotTrap429]

Basically, as a model, I like this plane overall. It's just not a version, scheme, or subject that I go for nor want to spend money on. No axe to grind - just my choice of what I find desirable. HobbyMaster could do better - they've proven it with their beautiful SBDs and Hellcats (of which I own several). They can paint "feathered" camo schemes - just look at their later Stukas (both the winter and desert versions) that have complex painting schemes beautifully executed. The weapons are unique - who else has tube rocket launchers on a model? But why are the struts so thick? Why are the wing balances on backwards? Why are the canopy frames so thick? Why is there any gap in the canopy/fuselage joint? Why do a late war 110 when most collectors on this forum literally begged feverently for over a year for an earlier BoB version? I give HM credit - they do make excellent models. It's their choices of subjects and schemes that has me puzzled? With all the threads suggesting planes and schemes we give them especially on this forum, (I seem to recall hearing a call for a F6F Hellcat with 3 tone camo with red surround on the insignia a number of times) why is so little of it actually made? What's the point of giving our opinion if they are simply going to do what they want to do anyways? Those who love this plane, please by all means buy it and enjoy it including you Pappy. But please don't think that just because you have a love relationship with a particular model or manufacturer that everyone else has to agree with you. I'm a straight shooter. If I don't like it, I'll tell you so and tell you why. For the record, I've got lots of models that I absolutely love, but I also have too many "so-so" models that I could do without. For what new models go for, I've decided to be more selective. You want my money, then you better give me a product I want.

PS: BTW Shawn, how long have we been asking for that gray Atlantic version of the Avenger, a P-61 or even a Helldiver? Seen any sign of these yet? Also, I was an I.P.M.S. member, I probably could do a better job with a plastic kit, and yes, if you've looked at many of the customizing/repair threads I've posted, I still fix/customize many of the "so-so" models I get. Why would I spend over $40.00 for this plane and have to spend hours fixing it? For that money, the "little" flaws I mentioned above should not be there at all!

[Shawn 507]

PS: BTW Shawn, how long have we been asking for that gray Atlantic version of the Avenger, a P-61 or even a Helldiver? Seen any sign of these yet? Also, I was an I.P.M.S. member, I probably could do a better job with a plastic kit, and yes, if you've looked at many of the customizing/repair threads I've posted, I still fix/customize many of the "so-so" models I get. Why would I spend over $40.00 for this plane and have to spend hours fixing it? For that money, the "little" flaws I mentioned above should not be there at all!

I've submitted my desires / suggestions and corrections on present / future HM releases to Hawk, and leave it at that. And yes I'll take advantage of a discussion to posts pics of what I want in the hope it sways others to those liveries as well. The Atlantic Avenger I believe will come in time as its a nice looking bird. The Helldiver, P-61 and whatever else we want is up to HM. Its their company, its their decison. And yea I get miffed at some fo their choices too (no WW2 USN SNJ), but its not enough for me to give up on the line all together. Certianly not enough to jump into the FOV camp for example.
I've never jioned an official modelling club (IPMS / AMPS). But I have built many armor models and know that adding aftermarket stuff is necessary in almost every case. So a base model at $35-$50, with aftermarket stuff between $20-$50 isn't that odd as most modelers know. I don't like messing with planes, but I've done it four times with agreeable results. And spending hours as a modeler to get what I want out of a subject it isn't a waste of time. It is the hobby, maybe its me.
So if I've offeneded anyone here, my apologies.

[hawkonevoodoo]

Originally Posted by Hornchurch

Hi Shawn, I see your point, but I think it's healthy that people express their views & opinions, even if it ain't favourable everytime !

Personally I like hearing the "pi$$ing & moaning" about each & every die-cast release - it helps me to formulate an opinion on whether to buy, (or not ?) as guys on here can often point out a 'Howler'.... = some things even my experienced eye don't pick up.......

I don't wish to sound like a big-head here, but I know I can make models as good as these (from plastic-kits)........ I've had I.P.M.S. awarded kits, (around 10 years ago), when I DID have the patience.......... (but I'm older & more jaded now)


BUT, my Lazy-*$$ says "Nah, can't be ars*d" ........ so I buy & collect SOME die-cast instead,

Cash & ready-made to a fair standard = more spare time !!!!!!!!!!!!

My opinion on this 'zestorer' '110 is very much like hworth's opinion (He's another seasoned I.P.M.S. guy, who prob' knows where I'm 'comin'-from' in terms of outlook (?)

Yes, it sure looks like a '110' but somewhat 'toy' like = maybe the paint execution & the 210cm rocket-tubes for me........?

Maybe another paint-scheme or version will 'sway' me ??????


Gawd knows I've got enough of the (beautiful) Revell 1/48th inj' moulded kit with similar/same markings stored by (for a rainy-day)

The 'G.2' version........... as well as the resin nosed bird & the 'FuG-'Stag-Antler' versions also......


I'd say that Hobbymasters RAF Harvard is nothing short of SUPERB...... I bought it & it blew my socks off (so impressed)......

But, this Me.110......(God, I LOVE the '110 as a plane, but I'd hesitate to buy this......MAYBE another version ?)

BTW, can ANYONE confirm that the (forthcoming) Corgi '110 & the H.M. ARE actually different moulds ??????

I plead ignorance on this one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes they are different molds. If it's not one of the former 6 or 8 Predators then Hobby Master has nothing to do with it.

[PappyB]

Originally Posted by HotTrap429

Those who love this plane, please by all means buy it and enjoy it including you Pappy. But please don't think that just because you have a love relationship with a particular model or manufacturer that everyone else has to agree with you. I'm a straight shooter. If I don't like it, I'll tell you so and tell you why.

You know what HotTrap there is absolutlely no reason for you to call me out personally. What did I say exactly to get this response?

All I did was post pics of the model for people to give their opinion on it -- and I gave mine. When people gave vague criticisms I asked for more specifics because I wanted to know, and I wanted to hear -- and respected -- the different opinions. I take offense at you inferring I have a love relationship with HM because I liked this particular model. I certainly do not give all of HM's models rave, glowing, I love you, reviews -- if you'd taken the time to visit my site and see for yourself, you'd already know this. I did not disrespect you, and I would appreciate the same accord.

(I actualy give the 110 a 4 out of 5 because for right now it is, IMHO, the best 1:72 110 you can get -- when I do get to the more detailed online review I will take everyones points into consideratoin and will likely adjust that score -- again, these slideshow reviews are just my initial "out of the box" impressions. I post them quickly as I can so you all can see the pics as soon as possible, since I occasionally get some of these models earlier than most.)

I post these pics for, hopefully, the benefit of my fellow collectors. I take the time to take, sharp, detailed close up pics (and it does take quite a bit of time, which is in short supply) so everyone can see things that I may miss since I do not pretend to know every little thing about every airframe in existence. I appreciate hearing all the "bitching and moaning" because in the process I learn a lot about the plane in question. You all can form your own opinions and complain or applaud, or say "it's a toy who the hell cares". I note flaws where I do see them so people who run out and buy the model aren't suprised when they get it and perhaps feel they wasted their money. I'm trying to do my fellow collectors a service, because I enjoy this hobby, I love airplanes, I enjoy photography, and I enjoy discussing all of the above here. It's that simple for me.

[PappyB]

Originally Posted by hawkonevoodoo

Yes they are different molds. If it's not one of the former 6 or 8 Predators then Hobby Master has nothing to do with it.

Hawk -- do you know what HM's wash strategy was with this one? Looking hard at it it's tough to see evidence of any wash at all on the main fuselage but there's some it looks like on the stabs and belly.....??

I know there was talk of some models getting released with no wash (which I thought was abandoned?) or washes matched to the overall paint scheme (light/dark?)

Thanks in advance for any input.

[Cruver Collecter]

Originally Posted by PappyB

I enjoy this hobby, I love airplanes, I enjoy photography, and I enjoy discussing all of the above here. It's that simple for me.

Wow, now that sounds like a good way to look at this hobby! I really like the way you sum it up. Love planes, like taking pictures of them and then chewing the fat about them. I like your posting in that it lets everybody chime in on their opinions regarding this new release. Personally I can not wait to actually lay my hands on one the Bf 110s. Finally we all need to remember that important thing about opinions, at times they are like are backsides, everybody has one. (Yep, and sometimes they stink, but that is just my opinion.)

[STARMAN 352ND]

Originally Posted by HotTrap429

Those who love this plane, please by all means buy it and enjoy it including you Pappy. But please don't think that just because you have a love relationship with a particular model or manufacturer that everyone else has to agree with you. !

Originally Posted by PappyB

You know what HotTrap there is absolutlely no reason for you to call me out personally. What did I say exactly to get this response?
All I did was post pics of the model for people to give their opinion on it -- and I gave mine. When people gave vague criticisms I asked for more specifics because I wanted to know, and I wanted to hear -- and respected -- the different opinions.

Pappy and Hot Trap,
I know we all have our opinions on things
Lets keep it civil please....
JP

[lanslide]

Pappy, keep up the good work! Your photography and reviews are much appreciated by me. You have helped me to make some of my diecast decisions.

[Cruver Collecter]

Originally Posted by PappyB

Hawk -- do you know what HM's wash strategy was with this one? Looking hard at it it's tough to see evidence of any wash at all on the main fuselage but there's some it looks like on the stabs and belly.....??

I know there was talk of some models getting released with no wash (which I thought was abandoned?) or washes matched to the overall paint scheme (light/dark?)

Thanks in advance for any input.

I miss the wash look. Hard to imagine a fighter with kill marks on it, but looks to never have left the hanger. At times looks more toy like than a scale model.