[Merritec]

Originally Posted by tonyzing

I would certainly buy some if they are selling for $4.95 each despite all the problem Stalag8611 describe, so I can practice all these little trick describe by Planenuts.
IMHO, regardless some problem with HM's products, I still think they make the best low price products out there. Just like my Hobby Master's King Tiger tank, the paint scheme was so nice it makes me forget about its made of plastic and I got it for less then $20 is not a very bad deal either.

Guys

This is a terrible statement. I think it is terrible that these planes are selling for $14.99. Unless these sellers didn't have to get these shipped to their location, and don't pay the same e-bay and PayPal fee as everybody else, they are loosing money selling these.

As alot of sellers now have to match prices, it doesn't bode well for HM, as these dealers won't get burned again buying HM product, which means less sellection for you and me. Selling it for $4.99 means the seller is probably losing $15 each plane.
As this is the first one and sets the beanchmark, I bet alot of sellers are cutting back their pre-orders, so as not to lose money. You will see the well dry up real quick if no one is pre-ordering from HM.
I see sales like that, and I feel bad for the seller, as they are just trying to liquidate their stock so they can get something else that they can make money on.

Tonyzing, I am quoting your statement, but this is not directed to you personally, but generally to the diecast market . I am the first one to take advantage of price breaks to get planes into my collection, but understand why the prices are low.
If all the HM plane prices drop to this range, you will see no more interesting planes, and all we will get will be Spitfire's, Mustang's and Bf-109's out of HM.

[hawkonevoodoo]

Originally Posted by Merritec

Guys

This is a terrible statement. I think it is terrible that these planes are selling for $14.99. Unless these sellers didn't have to get these shipped to their location, and don't pay the same e-bay and PayPal fee as everybody else, they are loosing money selling these.

As alot of sellers now have to match prices, it doesn't bode well for HM, as these dealers won't get burned again buying HM product, which means less sellection for you and me. Selling it for $4.99 means the seller is probably losing $15 each plane.
As this is the first one and sets the beanchmark, I bet alot of sellers are cutting back their pre-orders, so as not to lose money. You will see the well dry up real quick if no one is pre-ordering from HM.
I see sales like that, and I feel bad for the seller, as they are just trying to liquidate their stock so they can get something else that they can make money on.

Tonyzing, I am quoting your statement, but this is not directed to you personally, but generally to the diecast market . I am the first one to take advantage of price breaks to get planes into my collection, but understand why the prices are low.
If all the HM plane prices drop to this range, you will see no more interesting planes, and all we will get will be Spitfire's, Mustang's and Bf-109's out of HM.

If these people selling Hobby Master for these extremely low prices are retailers who buy from Hobby Master Distributors and Hobby Master finds out who they are they will be banned from buying their models. Hobby Master has an MSRP and if they don't go by these they will find themselves not getting any models. This is also to protect your investment so the price that you paid won't be 3 times higher than the next guy and it will keep the value of your model higher. If you know who these people are that are under sellling the products and you want, you can PM me. You might be able to buy a model for $9 that should sell for $20 but if this continues there won't be any products and what you have will be worth zero.

[stalag8611]

Originally Posted by Canucklehead

The Dragon Fw 190 shares the tricky gear problem. Anyone who has ever tried to set up one of those knows what I mean. With some white glue and a little bit of patience you get a kick arse model out of it though. It sounds like HM's MiG is in the same kind of league.
Jets aren't my thing, but the pics I've seen thus far of the MiG look fantastic, with or without the struts. If you want a MiG in 1/72, there's only one game in town thus far. Is the gear problem so bad that it would prevent you from having a Fishbed in the collection at all? For the availability reason, and the fact they are so cheap, I doubt it.

Amen to the Dragon FW-190 tricky grear problem, brother. It took many tries and super glue, not Elmer's, to get the A-8 to stand up. Amen to the kick arse aspect when it's finally done, also
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[stalag8611]

Originally Posted by stalag8611

If tthe general public learns how difficult it is to assemble the undercsrriage on this bird they'll be selling for $4.95, plus postage. And te Hobby Master ombudsman advises we can expect the same, or worse on the F-104. Woe is me, we are in for some tough times on the assembly line.

Whoa, I've got to correct the misunderstanding in a previous post of mine. I was using a rhetorical trick to make a point about the undercarriage on the MG-21 MF. To my knowledge, the issue is still going at the MSRP, or close to it. Sorry about that

[tonyzing]

Calm down, hawkonevoodoo.
No one is selling at $4.95 yet. People just want to make a point in regard to the landing gear and hopefully HM will correct them later.
I view this is good thing for HM that people will point out the problem for them so they can improve, don't you agree?

[hawkonevoodoo]

Originally Posted by tonyzing

Calm down, hawkonevoodoo.
No one is selling at $4.95 yet. People just want to make a point in regard to the landing gear and hopefully HM will correct them later.
I view this is good thing for HM that people will point out the problem for them so they can improve, don't you agree?

I must have miss read the other post, sorry if I did. Hobby Master and myself welcome and encourage people to point out real problems so they can be corrected. This is why I started the poll to find out actually how much of a problem the Mig landing gear is. I have mentioned this to Hobby Master and they are awaiting the results so please vote.

[tonyzing]

Hawkonevoodoo, we all know that you are doing a great job trying to promote HM product and I really appreciate with all the effort you put in to this.
But, some time you just have to relaxe and calm down when looking at some issue, trying too hard to promote and protect them will lead you to some conclusion that may be be good for you or the collectors.

No hard feeling! We are all here trying to search for the best products we can buy and enjoy. If something is not right, we have to let people know and hopefully they will listen and correct the mistake and see if they care about us.

[hawkonevoodoo]

Originally Posted by tonyzing

Hawkonevoodoo, we all know that you are doing a great job trying to promote HM product and I really appreciate with all the effort you put in to this.
But, some time you just have to relaxe and calm down when looking at some issue, trying too hard to promote and protect them will lead you to some conclusion that may be be good for you or the collectors.

No hard feeling! We are all here trying to search for the best products we can buy and enjoy. If something is not right, we have to let people know and hopefully they will listen and correct the mistake and see if they care about us.

I guess I'm a little frustrated by what I personally consider to be a small point and all the attention it is recieving with no clear conclusions as to whether or not it is considered to be a major problem by the majority of members. I feel this way as a collector not just trying to promote or cover for Hobby Master, this strictly is my own opinion. I'd feel the same way if it were another company's model. That is why I started the poll to find out exactly how people feel and once the poll is completed I will forward the results to Hobby Master where they can make their own conclusions and decisions.
Like I said it is great to hear peoples opinions but I wasn't able to keep track of the yeas and nays but the poll will do this and hopefully clarify everything.

[hawkonevoodoo]

Originally Posted by Merritec

Guys

This is a terrible statement. I think it is terrible that these planes are selling for $14.99. Unless these sellers didn't have to get these shipped to their location, and don't pay the same e-bay and PayPal fee as everybody else, they are loosing money selling these.

As alot of sellers now have to match prices, it doesn't bode well for HM, as these dealers won't get burned again buying HM product, which means less sellection for you and me. Selling it for $4.99 means the seller is probably losing $15 each plane.
As this is the first one and sets the beanchmark, I bet alot of sellers are cutting back their pre-orders, so as not to lose money. You will see the well dry up real quick if no one is pre-ordering from HM.
I see sales like that, and I feel bad for the seller, as they are just trying to liquidate their stock so they can get something else that they can make money on.

Tonyzing, I am quoting your statement, but this is not directed to you personally, but generally to the diecast market . I am the first one to take advantage of price breaks to get planes into my collection, but understand why the prices are low.
If all the HM plane prices drop to this range, you will see no more interesting planes, and all we will get will be Spitfire's, Mustang's and Bf-109's out of HM.

I passed this low price information on to Hobby Master and these low prices are on Ebay are not what you can expect all the time. Hobby Master monitors different sites to make sure retailers are using the MSRP.

[tonyzing]

Thanks for the explanation, hawkonevoodoo, as always!!!!!!
We are a consumer and don't know what happen at the top level dealing, I don't even know that HM has another distributor if you don't bring it up.
In a normal business sense, I think HM should have request the new distributor take over the inventories from the old distributor, and none of these pricing problem will happen now. But hey, that is just my opinnion, we will never know what happen among them, and I don't really care what happen, I just want some good stuff to buy at reasonable price.
By the way, I hope the cost to the distributor is not $4.99.