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Old 10-12-2008, 05:39 AM   # 11 Quick Link (permalink)
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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

Just to input more information there are 4 aircraft depicted for Hartmann in LUFTWAFFE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT IN PROFILE published by Schiffer 1997,

1) Oct 1943 109 G-6 front lower nose in yellow
2) Aug 1944 109 G-6 lower nose all yellow
3) Oct 1944 109 G-14 lower nose all yellow and same aircraft artwork as example posted at beginning of topic
4) May1945 109 K-4 total different paint scheme

The book has about 120 color profiles and there is a brief discussion of colors and markings and a 20 sample color chart.

Authors are Claes Sundin and Christer Bergstrom
 

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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

Just to input more information there are 4 aircraft depicted for Hartmann in LUFTWAFFE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT IN PROFILE published by Schiffer 1997,

1) Oct 1943 109 G-6 front lower nose in yellow
2) Aug 1944 109 G-6 lower nose all yellow
3) Oct 1944 109 G-14 lower nose all yellow and same aircraft artwork as example posted at beginning of topic
4) May1945 109 K-4 total different paint scheme

The book has about 120 color profiles and there is a brief discussion of colors and markings and a 20 sample color chart.

Authors are Claes Sundin and Christer Bergstrom

So that means the corgi version was painted wrongly?
 

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Old 10-12-2008, 06:51 AM   # 13 Quick Link (permalink)
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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

As hworth18 noted earlier Corgi must have used the artwork on page 50 of Planes and Pilots Me 109 1942-1945 as their source. It has no yellow on the bottom and the
fueling location triangle is offset from the 1. All we can say is Corgi picked one of several available artworks for their aircraft. Demoralizing? Maybe if sources are not all
that accurate or consistent. Like noted earlier where is a photo of the actual aircraft?
 

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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

As hworth18 noted earlier Corgi must have used the artwork on page 50 of Planes and Pilots Me 109 1942-1945 as their source. It has no yellow on the bottom and the
fueling location triangle is offset from the 1. All we can say is Corgi picked one of several available artworks for their aircraft. Demoralizing? Maybe if sources are not all
that accurate or consistent. Like noted earlier where is a photo of the actual aircraft?


Corgi couldn't have used that pic as their profile because the book came out long after the plane, but they do match so there must be a commonality somewhere. I agree that it would help if there were a photograph.

But, in all honesty, does it really matter?
This plane has been out for years now and I really don't see the point of picking apart every model that we own to find errors. The plain fact is, every diecast has something wrong with it and if we thoroughly scrutinize the planes in our collection, we will be very disappointed with our hobby.
 

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But, in all honesty, does it really matter?
This plane has been out for years now and I really don't see the point of picking apart every model that we own to find errors. The plain fact is, every diecast has something wrong with it and if we thoroughly scrutinize the planes in our collection, we will be very disappointed with our hobby.

Amen Hack.
 

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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

Corgi couldn't have used that pic as their profile because the book came out long after the plane, but they do match so there must be a commonality somewhere. I agree that it would help if there were a photograph.

But, in all honesty, does it really matter?
This plane has been out for years now and I really don't see the point of picking apart every model that we own to find errors. The plain fact is, every diecast has something wrong with it and if we thoroughly scrutinize the planes in our collection, we will be very disappointed with our hobby.


Ironically, I found the evidence against my own question that can prove the corgi scheme is correct.

Check this link. Luftwaffe Colour Profiles

I find this picture

 

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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

But, in all honesty, does it really matter?
This plane has been out for years now and I really don't see the point of picking apart every model that we own to find errors. The plain fact is, every diecast has something wrong with it and if we thoroughly scrutinize the planes in our collection, we will be very disappointed with our hobby.[/quote]

I agree 100%. I buy aircraft to represent an era or campaign or just because I like the scheme.
 

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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

Ironically, I found the evidence against my own question that can prove the corgi scheme is correct.

Check this link. Luftwaffe Colour Profiles

I find this picture


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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

Corgi couldn't have used that pic as their profile because the book came out long after the plane, but they do match so there must be a commonality somewhere. I agree that it would help if there were a photograph.

But, in all honesty, does it really matter?
This plane has been out for years now and I really don't see the point of picking apart every model that we own to find errors. The plain fact is, every diecast has something wrong with it and if we thoroughly scrutinize the planes in our collection, we will be very disappointed with our hobby.

I don't.....in general, I'm of the "don't worry, be happy" school of diecast collecting! I must say, though, I recently unpacked and put together a 1:72 Dragon P-51, and it sure is better in detail than the Corgi P-51's I have......but I like the Corgis also.
 

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Re: I found a mistake with the painting of the Staffelkapitan Erich Hartmann BF109

The 109 in the pic is probably a G-10 or G-14 going off the tail (Tall tail typical of late model 109s, but also used on some very late G-6 models), and I can't tell from the pic if it has the cowl blisters or not. But the main point of this post is that the Yellow under the cowl was a friend/foe identifier and was discontinued late in the war and not always used on every 109G-6.

And, on a side note, my Planes and Pilots series book on the 109 from 1942-45 has a profile of Corgi's Hartmann 109G-6 and it is just as Corgi painted it.

The plane in the pic is a G10, no cowl blisters. Here's a better pic of it. You can also see there appears to be a chevron on the side of the aircraft.
Courtesy of: http://www.taphilo.com/Photo/Pictures/Me109-G10.jpg
 

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