[Liberando]

I also find this practice by Corgi to be very annoying. Several of my bombers which should have waist guns do not (909, Sentimental Journey, etc.). Booby Trap is a prime example since the crew is already standing there waiting for something to do. I have a spare pair of 50's that will get installed in Booby as soon as I get around to knocking out those plastic waist windows.
If someone had the ability to mass produce these small 50 cal. and perhaps gun windows for retrofitting, they would likely sell quite well.

[tank nut]

I also get a kick out of the fact that bit of lace has no guns no guys on the side at alll!!!! Nor in the rear gunner spot for that matter

[JustPlaneNuttz]

Originally Posted by Cruver Collecter

Funny, but a good point. I still would rather look in a cockpit and see interior detail as apposed to small plastic fig.

Me too. To date it looks like our choices are:

1. Disassemble and/or pop canopy and D-I-Y interior or
2. Become involved in 1:48

I just find that in fighters or small bombers of the 1:72 variety (of which is 99% of my collection) there isn't much room to detail. I ran into this in my kit building days too. Heavy bombers are a slightly different story, as sometimes there are 'areas of opportunity' not always found in fighters. Regrettably, interior detail is best dealt with in 1:48, unless like me, you can live with the figure being the detail in 1:72.

JPN

[Cruver Collecter]

Originally Posted by JustPlaneNuttz

Me too. To date it looks like our choices are:

1. Disassemble and/or pop canopy and D-I-Y interior or

2. Become involved in 1:48

I just find that in fighters or small bombers of the 1:72 variety (of which is 99% of my collection) there isn't much room to detail. I ran into this in my kit building days too. Heavy bombers are a slightly different story, as sometimes there are 'areas of opportunity' not always found in fighters. Regrettably, interior detail is best dealt with in 1:48, unless like me, you can live with the figure being the detail in 1:72.

JPN

I ran into the same issues when I was putting out allot of kits. Sometimes the resin and photoetched parts I put in could hardly be seen. Shoot I even used to put the seatbelt harness on my 1/72nd scale kits and I would put in photoetched rudder pedals on the German kits. I never had a pilot fig in any of my models. because it would have blocked all my work.

[JustPlaneNuttz]

Originally Posted by Cruver Collecter

I ran into the same issues when I was putting out allot of kits. Sometimes the resin and photoetched parts I put in could hardly be seen. Shoot I even used to put the seatbelt harness on my 1/72nd scale kits and I would put in photoetched rudder pedals on the German kits. I never had a pilot fig in any of my models. because it would have blocked all my work.

Yeah, when building a kit to that detail, you sure don't want anything hiding your hard work. Ever try to detail (or even come close) a diecast model? I had the canopy off a Spitfire and looked in and there was no room at all for anything, Pilot went in and that was that -- and even then, he had to be further abbreviated!!!!

JPN

[Hornchurch]

Originally Posted by mikeb1958

I think they are ready to releve themselves from all that coffee they drank.

Why Mike ? you offering to empty the 'Elsan' ????????/

[JustPlaneNuttz]

Originally Posted by Hornchurch

Why Mike ? you offering to empty the 'Elsan' ????????/

It was common to relieve ones self into the bomb bay before flight as well. Unlike the B-17s, the RAF bomb bay doors weren't water tight, so they never froze up at altitude. Wacky, but true! (I forget where I read that, but if someone grinds me hard enough, I'll look it up.)

JPN

[kabelace]

Originally Posted by JustPlaneNuttz

It was common to relieve ones self into the bomb bay before flight as well. Unlike the B-17s, the RAF bomb bay doors weren't water tight, so they never froze up at altitude. Wacky, but true! (I forget where I read that, but if someone grinds me hard enough, I'll look it up.)

JPN

I remember hearing about this to, as it was a big problem on the B-24 with its rolling type bomb bay doors that a general writing order was put out not to urinate in the bomb bay.

[C17driver]

Originally Posted by kabelace

I remember hearing about this to, as it was a big problem on the B-24 with its rolling type bomb bay doors that a general writing order was put out not to urinate in the bomb bay.

I'm not so sure about the bomb bays being watertight. They have seals around them but I think they still leaked out fluids. The bigger problem was that in flight the colored liquid would seep out the bomb bay and the slip stream would take it right to the ball turret where it would them ice over. I don't think there were many Brit bombers with ball turrets. Bad news if the ball turret was facing forward at that moment because there was no way to get rid of the yellow ice while in flight.

[JustPlaneNuttz]

Originally Posted by C17driver

I'm not so sure about the bomb bays being watertight. They have seals around them but I think they still leaked out fluids. The bigger problem was that in flight the colored liquid would seep out the bomb bay and the slip stream would take it right to the ball turret where it would them ice over. I don't think there were many Brit bombers with ball turrets. Bad news if the ball turret was facing forward at that moment because there was no way to get rid of the yellow ice while in flight.

Yes -- I have heard about THAT one too.

Apparently the RAF bomber crews would 'valve off' before a flight into the bomb bay area and this was supposedly a common practise (new to me). When they got the Fortress I, they continued this ritual and would find the bomb doors wouldn't open at altitude -- hence one of the reasons the RAF deemed the aircraft unreliable. Now how I heard ithe story was, the doors just froze up. I also heard heard that this 'liquid' would fry out the electric motor that operated the bomb bay doors on the Fortress I, causing them to be considered 'unreliable'. RAF bombers weren't affected because the bomb doors would allow liquid to drain, hence nothing to 'pool' and freeze.

Stories, stories and more stories, eh?

Over the next day or so I'm going to try and track down the origins of this (to date) myth. Give me a day or so, OK? (I got it someplace!!)

JPN