[Hornchurch]

After looking at some of the photo's of the new-model & questioning some of the details that looked rather odd to me, I'd voiced my opinion within Post No 12, of the "Corgi Classics" section of the forum -
Thread entitled "Corgi Hawker Typhoon 1B"


It may have seemed that I was 'shooting from the hip', re; my opinion at the time (without studying anything), but I just felt that there were certain things that didn't look quite right to me, as an RAF/Hawker Typhoon enthusiast, having been dead-keen on Typhoon's since I was a kid.


The Yellow band, on the leading edge of each wing, looked about a Mile too wide to me.

That plus the sickly 'brilliant' shade of Yellow they've used, were enough to turn my stomach, & put me personally, off buying that particular model (despite the fact that the pilot of R.7752 is pretty much, my ultimate-hero).


Others had voiced their opinions, most believing/accepting that Corgi had got it 'right', or even "nailed the plane to a minute detail".

That is of course, by accepting the 'Osprey' (Aircraft of the Aces, No 27)colour side profile as 'Gospel'.

Well it looks good.....(having been drawn in the late '90's - I have the book myself)........ but I DON'T see a W.W.II photo of this actual a/c FROM THE FRONT ANGLE........within THAT book.......
.......... so that I can confirm or dispel my misgivings about R.7752.

Luckily, through trawling the internet, I found what I was looking for.......

Beamont's Typhoon, R.7752 -

........... showing clearly, the leading edge & canopy detail (paint shade).


Looks like my reservations on 2 x points, were vindicated - 1 x point still unconfirmed (the 'garish' shade of Yellow, that makes me wanna puke )

& the other, sadly confirmed as real (Yellow Cannons, urgh !).

If the photo that I'm gonna attempt to uplift, comes out O.K. - You'll see that the Yellow Leading-Edge of the wing is VASTLY smaller (narrow & MUCH thinner) than that, which Corgi chose to portray........

Plus the canopy should be Green, where it meets the Green fuselage camo' pattern, instead of Grey on the model (which I'd pointed out previously).

If you guys are happy with it, then fine - but not for me (Custard Overkill).

[Hornchurch]

Originally Posted by Berkut76

"Corgi nailed this plane to a minute detail"

Sergey

Looks like you & I don't share quite the same opinion on this one, Sergey.

They may seem trivial points, but it's VAST YELLOW-NESS, is certainly enough to put me off of buying it !!!!!

The shade alone, plus the width of Leading-Edge yellow band, looks like it's been applied with a brush the (scale) size of an M.1 Garand !!!!!!!

Everyone seems to be reliant on 'Osprey' Aces (Vol 27) colour side profile.

However, (if it uploads), I'd rather refer to this, than be reliant on a colour side profile drawn in 1998 (Vol 27), even if it was drawn from a picture.

The picture (if it comes out), is R.7752....from the front-angle (close-up).


I've voiced my concerns & opinions, & included relevant pic's of R.7752, on a new Thread, within the General Discussion - Photography - Hawker Typhoon R.7752 part of the forum, (as I realise this post will get buried).

You guy's, view the pix & draw your own conclusions.

If ya like it,go for it But not me, looks way too much like Custard Overkill


Thought it pertinent to point out, that the Yellow Leading-Edge on the real R.7752 (as per B & W photo) is slightly less than Half of the thickness of where the cannon-barrel shrouds, meet the wing (hence my 'Garand' width brush observation).

Also, note Green canopy (not Grey, as per Corgi).........

& the interesting Yellow 'Goatee-beard', on the lower-front, of the 'chin'/ air-intake.

[Canucklehead]

I found this profile on a Polish modeling forum. Again, you can't really go by it as it's not photographic evidence, but interesting none the less.

[wmosner]

Hornchurch,

Did you see the color photo I posted? That yellow is pretty bright and also pretty wide. It looks like that band varies in width by whatever ground crew paints it. Without evidence from those on the scene at the time, it looks like either way is accurate since we have photo evidence showing several styles.

[Berkut76]

Originally Posted by Hornchurch

Looks like you & I don't share quite the same opinion on this one, Sergey.

Like I've written in my post, I know little about the UK birds from WWII and have to base my opinion on the references that are available to me, which in this case was an Osprey book.

Funny thing is that my collection on the allied side is inversely proportional to my knowledge of the aircraft of that era, being dominated by British types, followed by American with ZERO Soviet aircraft that I know quite a lot about.

To Osprey's credit, while their write ups usually leave a lot to be desired in many cases, I have found color illustrations to be more or less accurate. I usually hang out at Russian plastic modelers' forum, where the real rivet counters roam free and Osprey books are usually the most quoted source of reference there.

All in all, if you are that certain that this Typhoon is wrong, I'll agree with you. The first two Corgi typhoon releases are of "bargain prices" interest to me anyway due to the lack of invasion stripes and rockets.

Regards,

Sergey

[wmosner]

off topic but does anyone know why the cannons on the Typhoon were shrouded?

[Celtic]

...personally, I'm looking forward to getting the Typhoons without invasion stripes or rockets. Invasion stripes can get mighty tiresome, especially considering that the full blown stripes were used for only about 6 weeks after D-Day, and it seems like every other new release is being given the black and white treatment. It's getting to be a bit much.

And I prefer the clean look of an airframe without rockets, extra fuel tanks, or external bomb loads. Also looking forward to the yellow Typhoon, in the same way I like the yellow noses on the various Bf 109s and Stukas. And finally, I'm really looking forward to the desert scheme.

While these first two releases probably won't be sellouts because one will be considered too loud (yellow) and the other too dull (desert sand), for some of us, these two releases will be a real treat...

[Hornchurch]

Originally Posted by wmosner

Hornchurch,

Did you see the color photo I posted? That yellow is pretty bright and also pretty wide.

Yes I did, W.M.- Cracking pic' (subject-wise), BUT, it's NOT R.7752.....

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It looks like that band varies in width by whatever ground crew paints it. [/quote]

Plenty of variables on an 'official' directive - fair point.


[/quote]
Without evidence from those on the scene at the time, it looks like either way is accurate since we have photo evidence showing several styles.[/quote]

Yeah W.M. if ya relate to Typhoons generally........

BUT I'm referring to ONE specific Typhoon.......

R.7752 - Corgi's subject - the one with the "Mile Wide" band (NOT).

They've (unfortunately) got it wrong on this (actual) Mk.1B.

The B & W photo (of that particular a/c) in Post 21 (& the General Discussion/Photo's forum)... show clearly, that it was marked up the way the majority of Typhoons were at that stage - i.e. narrow leading edge-band.

Even your 1st shot, is nowhere NEAR as wide as Corgi's (frightening) effort.

[Hornchurch]

Originally Posted by Berkut76

Like I've written in my post, I know little about the UK birds from WWII and have to base my opinion on the references that are available to me, which in this case was an Osprey book.

To Osprey's credit, while their write ups usually leave a lot to be desired in many cases, I have found color illustrations to be more or less accurate. I usually hang out at Russian plastic modelers' forum, where the real rivet counters roam free and Osprey books are usually the most quoted source of reference there.

All in all, if you are that certain that this Typhoon is wrong, I'll agree with you.

Regards, Sergey

Point taken, guy.

I wasn't out to be a smart-a$$

Just needed some kind of confirmation that my suspicions/doubts on those particular markings would be confirmed..... (40 years is a long time to get used to familiar markings - seeing something that jarring didn't ring true).

I was lucky, that through trawling the net, I came across a site, showing THAT angle of Typhoon R.7752.

I Don't count myself as a 'rivet-counter' - I just COULDN'T bring myself to buy THAT specific model...... it's loud & (slightly) wrong.

"Mile Wide" Mc'Donald's Yellow, just don't look right to a Typhoon fan like me.

Especially covering that much of the front-wings.


I'd expect to see a shade of yellow more reminicient of Corgi's beautiful R.C.A.F Vickers Wellington.

Your right - Osprey books ARE excellent sources of info, but other I.P.M.S. buffs have pointed out discrepancies in some of their volumes.

Don't blame you for using that source - just didn't show the angle I needed, to allay my fears of Corgi's over-exuberance of Yellow.......
Not to mention the howler, of a Grey canopy, over Green.

[hworth18]

It would appear that from Hornchurch's photo, the leading edge band is too wide, but Corgi could've been in the same position when researching (lack of photographic evidence) and went with what they thought was the standard band..
I guess what it comes down to, is if you like the scheme enough to buy one and over look a few inaccuracies???