[Andrew]

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Dave

You are correct. But since there is only one dealer selling it, I would hope Martin would make some attempt to get the low numbered models to the early buyers. I only noted the number because I was surprised at how high it was considering the poor reception the model is getting.

It could just as easily by a random number pulled out of the storage crate. whichever is closest to reach gets shipped to the customer first perhaps?

[Migmauler]

If GA got the gear too low it ain't by much, according to pics on this thread. I certainly can live with it. But the many flubs on the Corgi "B" will prevent me from adding it to my collection. With Gemini producing such a nicely rendered version in a couple different liveries I don't feel the need.

[stalag8611]

I’ve been a member of both the original Model Hanger and this one and I’m still nonplused over the incessant drumbeat of negativity that shows up in so many posts. To be sure, there are a number of die cast issues that are very badly done, e.g., the IXO Yak 3, and should be identified as such for the casual browser to the website. However, beyond the “dog” that every manufacturer eventually makes, there are hundreds of issues that are perfectly acceptable to all but the connoisseur class of collectors that seems to inhabit every die cast forum. Which, I guess, brings me to the point of this post. If I interpret the critical posts correctly, most of the hyper-critical comments must be posted by individuals who do not own a single die cast aircraft in any scale. This must be the case, since the common thread in all the critical reviews is, “not in my hanger under any condition.” Confidentially, readers can PM me and tell me what issues they do have in their minmimus absurdist collection. I’d certainly like to have some perfect die cast models in my not so modest hanger.

It would be a good idea if the administrator or moderators would require that anyone commenting on the good/bad points of a model state that the writer actually owns the model and is not judging by photographs alone. Truth in die cast aircraft bashing, so to speak. >>

When I purchase a die cast aircraft I never lose sight of the fact that I am, in fact, buying a model, usually for under $30.00, and not perfect in every detail. That kind of perfection in a model probably runs $12,000 or more and is definitely out of bounds in my checking account. It would be a wonderful world if Corgi, Hobby Master, Gemini, Dragon Wings and, yes, even IXO could produce all the “if only” models I see longed for by so many, perfect in every way and for $19.95 to boot. It ain’t gonna happen. Constructive criticism is needed in any business: The stake through the heart carping will eventually drive the seller out of business.

Then what, back to building plastic models and judging your own sorry efforts?

[Shawn 507]

So I have to spend money to be disappoointed in the flesh, before I can voice an opinion?? Talk about lose / lose. And how would you suggest I get rid of a dead beat when most think the same thing? Sell it to you at less than what I paid? Sorry can't support that. If you love your Corgi Mustangs fine, why does mine or anyone elses opinion matter?
- Shawn

[smartd]

Originally Posted by stalag8611

I’ve been a member of both the original Model Hanger and this one and I’m still nonplused over the incessant drumbeat of negativity that shows up in so many posts. To be sure, there are a number of die cast issues that are very badly done, e.g., the IXO Yak 3, and should be identified as such for the casual browser to the website. However, beyond the “dog” that every manufacturer eventually makes, there are hundreds of issues that are perfectly acceptable to all but the connoisseur class of collectors that seems to inhabit every die cast forum. Which, I guess, brings me to the point of this post. If I interpret the critical posts correctly, most of the hyper-critical comments must be posted by individuals who do not own a single die cast aircraft in any scale. This must be the case, since the common thread in all the critical reviews is, “not in my hanger under any condition.” Confidentially, readers can PM me and tell me what issues they do have in their minmimus absurdist collection. I’d certainly like to have some perfect die cast models in my not so modest hanger.

It would be a good idea if the administrator or moderators would require that anyone commenting on the good/bad points of a model state that the writer actually owns the model and is not judging by photographs alone. Truth in die cast aircraft bashing, so to speak. >>

When I purchase a die cast aircraft I never lose sight of the fact that I am, in fact, buying a model, usually for under $30.00, and not perfect in every detail. That kind of perfection in a model probably runs $12,000 or more and is definitely out of bounds in my checking account. It would be a wonderful world if Corgi, Hobby Master, Gemini, Dragon Wings and, yes, even IXO could produce all the “if only” models I see longed for by so many, perfect in every way and for $19.95 to boot. It ain’t gonna happen. Constructive criticism is needed in any business: The stake through the heart carping will eventually drive the seller out of business.

Then what, back to building plastic models and judging your own sorry efforts?

Good words Stalag, I no longer build 'cause my eyes (and hands) are not what they used to be. I buy what I like and in most cases the quality beats the hell out of what I used to build. I have won at IPMS shows. Very one has their own standards, but newbies to the site should not be put off buying a model based on anothers opinion of the model. I assume if they found their way to this site they have a basic knowledge of the aircraft they like and the standard of quality that fits their budget.

[timbo]

Originally Posted by Andrew

That Corgi prop looks pretty chuncky to me. I still am not sure why there is a "thumbs up" on the title of this thread. But I sure won't be settling for something like that.

Thumbs up coz it's an interesting thread NOT coz it's a good model

[PappyB]

I thought -- and still do -- that voicing opinions, good, bad, ugly, or indifferent was one of the main points of this forum?

I disagree that the majority of posts are negative (visit our friendly forum counterpart across the pond and you might agree ).

I do think there is a some pent up frustration by long time corgi collectors inparticular about the pooch's seeming inability to go back and fix where it's flubbed up, and you see that in regard to the mustang threads.

However, there is plenty of gushing, too -- about the B-25s, Lancs, bombers in general, and plenty of other models. Opinions are like _____ (skunks? ) everyone's got one, and should feel free to share it. Readers/visitors can take it or leave it for what it is.

I do agree that certain brands are held up to higher standards than others, and some faults that are tolerated with some brands (CW's panel lines, for instance) are not in others (hobby master) but that's just the nature of the beast I suppose.

I don't think you need to own a particular model to speak of it. Pictures are good enough these days, and most of us own dozens upon dozens of models and thus we have a really good idea from a picture what to expect when we get the silly thing. I'm critical at times, but that doesn't mean I don't have any models -- boy does my wife wish that assessment was correct!

[timbo]

Originally Posted by stalag8611

Not so fast there, pardner. The Gemini u/c is too short/low. I've been eyeballing my reference books and the Internet and it sure looks as though Gemini got it wrong. I've seen and been around many P-51s, Ds most likely, and I think the angle of attack on the Corgi "B" is more accurate, i.e. higher. And, if we're gonna nitpick, let's nitpick across the board. No teacher's pets, please.

Stalag I agree with you 100% and I think I pointed this out before - We are all assuming that the Gemini is 100% correct, it probably isn't but the bad on it (apart from the aerial and color) has not been taken apart on. I also noticed the rake on undercarriage differences and assumed (maybe incorrectly) that Corgi had this wrong as well.

Can anyone confirm what is correct?

[stalag8611]

Originally Posted by Shawn 507

So I have to spend money to be disappoointed in the flesh, before I can voice an opinion?? Talk about lose / lose. And how would you suggest I get rid of a dead beat when most think the same thing? Sell it to you at less than what I paid? Sorry can't support that. If you love your Corgi Mustangs fine, why does mine or anyone elses opinion matter?
- Shawn

Shawn, please re-read my two prior post on the P-51B. The cowl is wrong, the Malcolm Hood is wrong, the price is too damn high and Corgi is playing tricks through tromp l'oiel on the nose art. Hardly a love note, but not a crash & burn model either. Moderation in all things is a good position to takle on this site.

[timbo]

Originally Posted by stalag8611

I’ve been a member of both the original Model Hanger and this one and I’m still nonplused over the incessant drumbeat of negativity that shows up in so many posts. To be sure, there are a number of die cast issues that are very badly done, e.g., the IXO Yak 3, and should be identified as such for the casual browser to the website. However, beyond the “dog” that every manufacturer eventually makes, there are hundreds of issues that are perfectly acceptable to all but the connoisseur class of collectors that seems to inhabit every die cast forum. Which, I guess, brings me to the point of this post. If I interpret the critical posts correctly, most of the hyper-critical comments must be posted by individuals who do not own a single die cast aircraft in any scale. This must be the case, since the common thread in all the critical reviews is, “not in my hanger under any condition.” Confidentially, readers can PM me and tell me what issues they do have in their minmimus absurdist collection. I’d certainly like to have some perfect die cast models in my not so modest hanger.

It would be a good idea if the administrator or moderators would require that anyone commenting on the good/bad points of a model state that the writer actually owns the model and is not judging by photographs alone. Truth in die cast aircraft bashing, so to speak. >>

When I purchase a die cast aircraft I never lose sight of the fact that I am, in fact, buying a model, usually for under $30.00, and not perfect in every detail. That kind of perfection in a model probably runs $12,000 or more and is definitely out of bounds in my checking account. It would be a wonderful world if Corgi, Hobby Master, Gemini, Dragon Wings and, yes, even IXO could produce all the “if only” models I see longed for by so many, perfect in every way and for $19.95 to boot. It ain’t gonna happen. Constructive criticism is needed in any business: The stake through the heart carping will eventually drive the seller out of business.

Then what, back to building plastic models and judging your own sorry efforts?

Stalag - This one I disagree 100%.

The majority of my collection are Corgi (100+) and I have to say that no not all are perfect, and I have my far share of corgi P51D's. These I can forgive as 1) they are an old tooling + 2) they were cheap. My frustration with this one is on several fronts, in no particular order these are:

1) Management says that they are turning over a new collector centric leaf and implies quality and accuracy will be better
2) This is supposedly a "New Casting" - also one the the new managements first new releases so should be up to the latests quality and accuracy standards
3) The price - It is MUCH more expensive than the others
4) We all know Corgi can do MUCH-MUCH better than this

As to only commenting when you own the model - don't agree - the old adage that there is no smoke without fire is apt for this - the model just looks wrong. I'm not going to waste my money on something that I do not like the look of - I've done that too many times. This is one reason why I do not Pre-order now. If by dong that I miss out on a particularly great and desirable model then so be it, but I've picked up my fair share of dogs along the way, and I don't want to add to that side of my collection just to enable a dog of a model to pay-off it's tooling costs.

By not buying you are sending a message to the company in question that you do not like this particular product - hopefully this will lead to a change in their attitude that they can hoist any old crap on us and we will buy it.