[bandit95]

On one oif the sundowners birds F-14A NL 200 sn:160656 there is a small silhouette of what looks like an F-15 or a Mig-29. anyone know anything about this?

[Andrew]

I thought the F-14 only claimed an Mil-17 and a cargo plane during that conflict?

[STARMAN 352ND]

I can't find that story i had to back up what i posted so i deleted my own post...
I thought it was a Mig-29...Could be wrong...
I just got this in a email from a friend about what it says about it.
Hope it helps.
Check the link.
JP
http://p196.ezboard.com/fmodelfleetf...icID=366.topic

[Andrew]

sry, was Mi-8.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-14-combat.htm

[STARMAN 352ND]

Originally Posted by bandit95

On one oif the sundowners birds F-14A NL 200 sn:160656

So far this is all i have found for this bird...
160656 F-14A VF-111 NL200 crashed 31.03.1985 after suffering a hydraulic failure while returning to USS Carl Vinson from a night mission. The crew attempted to divert to a shore base but control difficulties eventually necessitated crew ejection.

[David Hingtgen]

That would be a "zap" against an adversary F-15. Said F-15 probably has an F-14 kill marking from the next afternoon's exercises. Rival aircraft types love to put mock kill markings acquired during war games, training, etc. There's probably a Super Hornet out there with an F-22 zap painted on it, from the infamous HUD footage.

Also--almost every word of that article linked to is wrong. VF-111 wasn't in Desert Storm AT ALL. They were ashore in the US having just got back from a West Pac cruise. They wouldn't deploy again until DS was over. Also, Miss Molly wore those markings on BOTH sides, not just starboard. And it didn't have white undersides. And it wasn't lost in a mid-air collision, it went to VF-154 and was their CAG for years. And VF-111 didn't do "half the squadron in dark ghost grey" at any time, especially not during their non-existent Desert Storm tour.

[STARMAN 352ND]

Bandit,
This is really the best site to look for any info on the F-14's.

http://www.anft.net/f-14/

JP

[David Hingtgen]

I actually prefer http://www.topedge.com/alley/alley.htm It hasn't been updated in years, but I've still learned more from there than any other source. ESPECIALLY in the "how are early A's, late A's, B's, and D's all TRULY physically different" category.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by David Hingtgen

That would be a "zap" against an adversary F-15. Said F-15 probably has an F-14 kill marking from the next afternoon's exercises. Rival aircraft types love to put mock kill markings acquired during war games, training, etc. There's probably a Super Hornet out there with an F-22 zap painted on it, from the infamous HUD footage.

Also--almost every word of that article linked to is wrong. VF-111 wasn't in Desert Storm AT ALL. They were ashore in the US having just got back from a West Pac cruise. They wouldn't deploy again until DS was over. Also, Miss Molly wore those markings on BOTH sides, not just starboard. And it didn't have white undersides. And it wasn't lost in a mid-air collision, it went to VF-154 and was their CAG for years. And VF-111 didn't do "half the squadron in dark ghost grey" at any time, especially not during their non-existent Desert Storm tour.

Is there anywhere to view the footage of the HUD?
They should put a huge Raptor kill marking on their Vertical Stablizers and buzz the raptor's airfield

[David Hingtgen]

No, there's just 2 stills, and the USAF seemed quite ticked that ANY pics got out, as the Super Hornet's G's, alpha, and airspeed at which the "kill" occurred are visible, and people think that may point out a F-22's "weak spot" in the flight envelope---or the USAF just doesn't want the F-22 to be thought of as anything but utterly invincible. (Plus, scenarios like these are rarely true "all-out dogfights" and one group or another is usually intentionally hampered in some way to teach a specific tactic or situation)


All that said, here you go.