[91ken]

I've noticed there are two 1:43 versions of Jochen Rindt's 1970 German Grand Prix #2 car. One is the World Champions series by Minichamps, here. The other is Quartzo's version, here.
In both versions, the car number is 2, yet they have considerably different spoilers, with the Quartzo one being bigger. The Minichamps display description specifically states that this is the car and number from the German Grand Prix of that year (1970), which Rindt won. This is confirmed by the Wikipedia listing for Rindt, which shows that the #2 was only used by Rindt in the German race, no other.
Why the different spoiler configurations? Which one is correct, the Minichamps one or the Vitesse Quartzo?

[Berkut76]

Originally Posted by 91ken

Why the different spoiler configurations? Which one is correct, the Minichamps one or the Vitesse Quartzo?

I cannot confirmed accuracy, but Quartzo models have never been in high demand by collectors and quite outdated by today's standards. In short, go with Minichamps. Since Rindt model is quite popular with collectors, and I haven't heard bad things about it, I'll say go for it.

You might want to post your question here, though:

scale43diecastclub - Diecasts - Auto Barn Motorsports Forum - Message Board - Yuku

Regards,

Sergey

[91ken]

Originally Posted by Berkut76

I cannot confirmed accuracy, but Quartzo models have never been in high demand by collectors and quite outdated by today's standards. In short, go with Minichamps. Since Rindt model is quite popular with collectors, and I haven't heard bad things about it, I'll say go for it.

You might want to post your question here, though:

scale43diecastclub - Diecasts - Auto Barn Motorsports Forum - Message Board - Yuku

Regards,

Sergey

It's not a matter of deciding which one to get. I wouldn't mind having both and I actually already have a couple of the Minichamps (car #2 and #5). I also have car #6 by another company whose name I forget, RBA something or other - good quality, like Minichamps.
I'll get the Quartzo Lotus 72 #2 eventually, as well as the 1:18 Lotus 49 which is readily available.
I've also seen pics of a 1:43 scale #7 car as well as a #22. That last one was the one he crashed at Monza and I'd definitely wouldn't mind having one.
I'm "limiting" my race car collecting to 1970 Rindt models.

I've just always wondered about the different spoilers between the Minichamps and Quartzo models.

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

[Horrido!]

OK,
Basically the Minichamps real airfoil is more accurate for the German GP car that it purports to be, the Quartzo one being a tad oversized, to say the least.
But it does represent a larger 3 tiered wing that was used on the Lotus 72 on other occasions, such as the French GP or the International Trophy race.

There are 2 versions of the Minichamps model:
The white helmet #2 436700005
and the original one - blue helmet/white peak #5 430700005

As you say there is the RBA model #6, which also displays the larger wing.

Quartzo have 3 72s, #6 the driverless one on the plinth with helmet etc.QWC99010 (big wing).
#22 the fateful Italian GP wingless one QC99038.
#2 the big wing one.
They also have a 1969 South African GP Lotus 49 #2
The more recent 1/18 1970 Monaco GP Quartzo is a poor version compared to the Exoto 49s, but is the only Jochen Rindt version , though the helmet should have a white peak and the decals are not sited quite correctly, one wonders why these manufacturers are so hopeless at detail!

I met Jochen Rindt at a F2 meeting at Thruxton in England on 7th April 1969 (exactly 1 year after the death of the greatest ever), he was a very nice guy, naturally he won the 2 part race in his Winkelmann Racing Lotus 59 Cosworth - A 1/43 model of this car is available from the French manufacturer AxelR.
I also watched his victory in the British GP of 1970.
Rindt did not race a Lotus 72 with the #7 in any of the 1970 GPs, John Miles drove #7 in the French GP, but there is no Quartzo model of it, There is a Quartzo model #7 of Fittipaldi's 1972 GLTL British GP car.
If you want any further information do not hesitate to ask.

[91ken]

Originally Posted by Horrido!

OK,
Basically the Minichamps real airfoil is more accurate for the German GP car that it purports to be, the Quartzo one being a tad oversized, to say the least.
But it does represent a larger 3 tiered wing that was used on the Lotus 72 on other occasions, such as the French GP or the International Trophy race.

Thanks. So it would indeed pay to own both.

There are 2 versions of the Minichamps model:

The white helmet #2 436700005
and the original one - blue helmet/white peak #5 430700005

As you say there is the RBA model #6, which also displays the larger wing.

I have all three of these.

Quartzo have 3 72s, #6 the driverless one on the plinth with helmet etc.QWC99010 (big wing).

#22 the fateful Italian GP wingless one QC99038.
#2 the big wing one.

OK, these are the ones I still need. the #2 seems readily available, with the other two rarer, especially the #22 it seems. [sarcasm]Gee, I wonder why.[/sarcasm] When I saw a pic the #22 model, without much accompanying info, I thought someone had just modified one of the other models by cutting the wing off and putting some #22 decals on it. Good to know it's an actual manufactured model.

The more recent 1/18 1970 Monaco GP Quartzo is a poor version compared to the Exoto 49s, but is the only Jochen Rindt version , though the helmet should have a white peak and the decals are not sited quite correctly, one wonders why these manufacturers are so hopeless at detail!

Also readily available and it's just a matter of wanting to spend the money. I mean the Quartzo one. Thankfully, the Exoto ones are not of Rindt, they're out of my league, pricewise.

I met Jochen Rindt at a F2 meeting at Thruxton in England on 7th April 1969 (exactly 1 year after the death of the greatest ever), he was a very nice guy, naturally he won the 2 part race in his Winkelmann Racing Lotus 59 Cosworth - A 1/43 model of this car is available from the French manufacturer AxelR

I also watched his victory in the British GP of 1970.
Rindt did not race a Lotus 72 with the #7 in any of the 1970 GPs, John Miles drove #7 in the French GP, but there is no Quartzo model of it, There is a Quartzo model #7 of Fittipaldi's 1972 GLTL British GP car.
If you want any further information do not hesitate to ask.

Cool, thanks for all the info. Yes, I've seen some of the Gold Leaf Lotus 72's driven by others, but I'm not going down that moneypit.
Do you have any idea of the pricerange of the Quartzo #22? Does it ever show up on ebay?

[Horrido!]

Sorry I have no idea of the availability or pricing, I guess you just need to set up an ebay search (worldwide) and see what happens.

Do you know of this site: Jochen Rindt Home

A guy here likes to show pics of all his Lotus things, including all the old Quartzo, Ixo etc:

www.jpslotus.org - For all things JPS Lotus, and some things that aren't...

I was looking for a scan of the autograph he gave me, when I found this from the French GP 1970 - you can see the "big wing" perhaps not quite as big as the Quartzo one, but very different to the Minichamps German GP one, which would have been smaller anyway due to the high speed of that hateful circuit at Hockenheim.

[91ken]

The official website I've knowm about for a couple of years and the other one I came across a few days ago - thanks.